Winkler FiON

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Is there any further update on widespread FiON availability in Winkler? A local competitor seems to be making some strides in this direction and I feel as though BellMTS should be working overtime to get their network done first.
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Jake Krahn

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In the spirit of the greater good, with one fiber network already planned for the town, I'd like to see MTS efforts go elsewhere where there are no high speed choices.
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I can see where you're coming from definitely but while it may be in the spirit of the great good it's also in the spirit of yet another monopoly forming. We're already paying through the nose for mediocre at best DSL connection due to lack of competition. How 5mbps maximum is acceptable is beyond me.
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The challenge is the federal government is offering grant money for providers that are first past the post in getting consumers 50/10. If Bell MTS had limited ability to roll fiber out such as limited skilled employees they will likely pick communities where they can get that grant money by being first past the post.


I wish the folks trying to build the fiber network in Winkler good luck as this type of series is not as easy to build out or as profitable as the public seems to think.

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Makes sense. I too don't have a whole lot of hope for ValleyFibre at the moment, not sure they realize what they're getting into. Nice to see that BellMTS is ignoring this thread much like they've been ignoring Winkler.
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I think the ValleyFibre folks will get some of their network done. As the town is putting cash it for its own offices I would imagine that is one of the first pieces completed.


If they manage to pull off everything they have promised they will have a lot of other interested towns giving them a call to be next on the list.

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Town exchanged services (stamping permits, city side engineering, etc) for their infrastructure.  It's my understanding no money changed hands.

I should also add.  MTS does have fiber in a fair number of areas of Winkler.  They even started putting fiber in some areas that still have poles.  This is the least expensive option to deploy it.  This will also put them into a position to get federal money for their upgrades.  I honestly hope the feds would give their money to MTS over a questionable new startup.

All new areas will continue to get MTS fiber, and Winkler is growing quickly.  So it won't be long before the ratio of Fion homes grows.
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Hi Jake, 

Thank you for your post.  Unfortunately Bell MTS has no immediate plans for FiON expansion in Winkler.  We are of course aware of Valley Fiber and I can assure you that our Capital Planning Department has taken their initiative into consideration.  If there are any updates, I will post back to this thread and all the other threads related to this subject.  

That being said, I understand that you are frustrated with the limited plan offerings available in your community, but would like to ask if you are indeed achieving 5Mbps downstream?  If not, that would equate to a congestion issue and I would like more details so that Bell MTS can address it for you.  Despite not being able to address your post regarding evolutionary connectivity changes, Bell MTS does take congestion of your existing service seriously and would like to help get that resolved!  Please feel free to reply to this thread or PM us at community@bellmts.ca.
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Hi Andy, I also live in a rural area, and suffering from many of the same plights as Winkler.  Where I live the phone lines seem very clean.  My DSL modem shows only a few CRC errors after a month on uptime, and I've helped a few others with their internet problems, and to my surprise every modem I log into has great modulation and few CRC errors.  Usually it ends up being WiFi or local congestion causing their problems.

Is Bell MTS entertaining newer copper options for our communities, especially ones where our phone lines are "clean".

edit:  realized I should make a new post for this.  
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Once Valley Fiber has the cities infrastructure in place they will have their inner city back-hauls in place.  They will then hit the neighborhoods with the highest population and demand to maximize investment.

Valley Fiber just turned into another Telco (barely competitive with MTS especially if you are bundled).  Their business plan is a bit screwy as well.  Very little hope.  Especially looking at the desperation they are showing with the continued attempt at hype through Facebook, and making neighborhoods compete to see who gets fiber first?  A sign of poor execution on their part, very desperate.  A proper business plan and engineering should allow them to just roll it out.  Bad signs all around for Valley Fiber.  Almost ready to call it dead.

I imagine by this time next year when the money is dry the early investors will be getting common shares to keep em happy while they attempt another round of funding/investment.  I doubt they even hit the $4 million mark.  That will be gone very quickly.  Rosebrook was a cheap install.  No curbs, and minimal in ground infrastructure.  Quick setup, yet only a handful connected so far.  Maybe MTS will swallow it up if Valley Fiber fails.

I would love to see MTS continue to deploy fiber in Winkler and other rural communities.  With Bell committing a billion dollars in Manitoba I see some of it hitting the smaller regions to improve service, although it won't all be fiber.

I should also add.  MTS does have fiber in a fair number of areas of Winkler.  They even started putting fiber in some areas that still have poles.  This is the least expensive option to deploy it.  This will also put them into a position to get federal money for their upgrades.  I honestly hope the feds would give their money to MTS over a questionable new startup.

All new areas will continue to get MTS fiber, and Winkler is growing quickly.  So it won't be long before the ratio of Fion homes grows.

Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Andy,

Why is it that you tell me BellMTS has no plans on expanding FiON in Winkler but your livechat representatives are telling me they expect it to be installed in all of Winkler by the end of fall?
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You will know something is up when you start to see  private contractors like Acme Tech, Crown Utilities etc, starting to park trucks in town.  Usually BellMTS uses private contractors to do all the civil work like running underground duct lines and doing the splice connections
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Is there any update on getting FION into Morden residences? 5up/1down is beyond frustrating especially at peak usage times. It still slows to a crawl despite the assurances that new DSL infrastructure was put in place, a slight improvement over being completely unusable.

The first ISP offering fiber at my door will be the one I sign up with. If it's not Bell and I lose some bundling as a result, I'll be shopping for other providers for two cell plans and TV as well.
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The pattern is also new residential developments also get FTTH service from day one.
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The pattern is also new residential developments also get FTTH service from day one.
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To clarify, those couple dozen houses by the school in Morden I'm referencing were built back in the 1960s and 1970s.

I built my house 8 years ago and I'm surrounded by ongoing development. There are brand new houses being built a short block away and I do not know anyone that has FTTH outside of the school area.

Morden should not be on that list of FTTH cities.
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435 Stephen St in Morden.  Fiber is available, not what I would call close proximity of the schools.  All new developments are also getting FTTH.  It's a slow process but MTS has been upgrading older parts of Morden/Winkler
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Yeah, I was told about the upgrade happening "next quarter" for two years. Then it actually happened, and my plan was downgraded from 5/1 to 5/0.5 for the same price.

I get the advertised 5/0.5 between 1:30am and 6:30am. Otherwise I'm lucky if I see half that bandwidth.

Edit: I looked up 435 Stephen, and it's the Spa/Hair Salon business. Likely on the business Fiber plan, not exactly residential. I also looked up 134, 135, 136 and 140 9th Street which are the houses directly behind the spa on either side of the road. 134 has FTTH, but 135, 136 and 140 have the same ****** 5/0.5 that I do. 

Cherry picking a couple dozen houses that happened to be in very close proximity to education or business installations here and there in a city of 3000 to 4000 residences should not qualify as having FTTH in that city.
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IF LTE+ counts towards the 50/10 projection from the federal Government. Rural towns are doomed and we will never see anything better then ****** DSL.  LTE+ is decent with a cell booster but the latency is high and unuseable at times plus DATA caps will kill people. Yes there is no such thing as UNLIMITED!!!!! its a 15G soft cap then its cut back to dial up speeds. fair access policy. Its time to go to a smaller local fiber company that will use the MHT backbone to provide fiber to the home. This is highly unlikely as the RMs don't give a **** or don't have the money to help out the smaller communities.
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Yes, LTE+, 5G, Microwave, Satellite, Fiber, DSL, string and tin cans, etc **how** the 50/10 gets to your door does not matter to the CRTC, it just needs to be available. There is currently no guidance on pricing in that CRTC policy either. Granted both those could change but the method component is unlikely to be modified as the government is not about to regulate that some remote fly in lodge needs to be service by affordable 50/10 fiber to the door service.

That said, until about a year ago the definition of broadband by the CRTC from 5/1 service so targets do change. Also a recent ruling put in place the "basic" cable tv service with a price ceiling.

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My bigger concern is that in 2031 50/10 service could well be functionally the same as 5/1 service today.

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Gordon, I am in Morden as per the context of this entire thread. We obviously have BellMTS as our ISP in Morden.

I am sorry I did not conform to your required specificity levels in my prior post, but pedantry is not going to solve Morden's excessively congested bandwidth no matter which Bell or BellMTS website I visit because neither one has any plan to do so.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/7015233583
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I was simply referring to the fact as many people confuse Bell and BellMTS companies. I have seen many people complain to BellMTS when they are in fact in Ontario. If anything you should refer to them as MTS and not just Bell
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The challenge is you currently have some form of broadband while many communities don't even have that. Even the majority of Winnipeg is underserved. For example I was looking at a security camera and that required uplink bandwidth exceeds what BellMTS currently offers.

Same if I dared to try and access 4K tv content, say from Bell owned CTV or TSN. In other markets Bell tv customers have access to these channels. I am told part of why they aren't available in Manitoba is they would cripple the network.

This goes far beyond Modern and Winkler. Also the federal government target for 50/10 by 2031 is a complete joke. Those security cemras I was looking at now would still be exceeding the 10 side and over the next 14 years demand will even get more. I should add the current target of 5/1 was abandoned before it ever became available to everyone.
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This is precisely why internet service needs to BE a public utility, not just treated like one in some loose sense of the term. The 50/10 by 2031 is a joke, but to add insult to injury, the ISPs get our tax dollars to implement it on top of the outrageous billing.

A rough estimate of the Morden/Winkler area at $65/month for 5/1 would calculate in the neighbourhood of $4 to $5 million siphoned from these two communities annually with absolutely zero capital re-investment to improve the existing service to something functional.

Are communities eligible for the corporate welfare if they build their own 50/10 network?
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Community broadband would be eligible for government grants. The challenge is the grant structure is two tiers right now. The first tier is getting a suitable backbone into the community and the second tier is to build out the "last mile"

That said the funding is first to market not all to market. If Wile E Coyote sets up Acme Broadband in your community offering 50/10 for say $10,000 per month in the eyes of the CRTC and IESD the 50/10 goal has been met.

The whole 50/10 is a joke because the speed is too low and the target is too far away.