What does MTS plan on doing with the CDMA cell towers after the CDMA network shut down?

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Just curious to know what is going to happen with the cell towers in the province that are ONLY being used for CDMA right now after the network is shut down in 2016. Will they be taken down? Or used in future for HSPA or LTE. Also any news on the 700Mhz band? Is 700Mhz for LTE only? Or for HSPA too? Also is the 850Mhz band being used for LTE more now other then just in Brandon? Another question regarding HSPA, are data speeds the same weather your phones connected to the 1900Mhz band vs 850Mhz? I would assume 1900Mhz speeds would be faster.
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I'll try and answer what I can Dan,

There are almost no areas with CDMA-only coverage left, CDMA towers where a different tower is providing the HSPA/LTE will be held in reserve for expansion or they have additional non-cellular services on them

850 Mhz low band LTE is currently providing a large and growing footprint across MB, I can't comment further on 700 unfortunately.

Data speeds are theoretically the same on 800 vs 1900 HSPA as they are both 5 Mhz wide channels, what affects individual data speed is how many people are on that channel simulataneously and how good your signal quality is (modulation level)
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I am a MTS customer that has to use a CDMA cell phone. That is the only service in the area where I work. There is very limited 4g service from the tower located at the Easterville junction, so limited that it only reaches a short distance out onto Lake Winnipegosis. My commercial fishing business is on an island about 20 miles from this tower. I can't even buy a new CDMA phone if the one I have now quits. Will MTS be expanding the 4g service into this area when the CDMA service is shut down? If you don't, I and the others that fish in this area will no longer be able to use a cell phone for our business.
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MTS is suppose to have HSPA service everywhere where CDMA is only available before they shut down the CDMA network.
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Thanks Graham for the reply! It would be nice at some point to know where the low band 850Mhz LTE is being used, as for reference to help determine on what type of booster to install as I install them for people. Mostly right now I do only for HSPA since it benefits for both voice and data.
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Will any of these 2 CDMA towers be upgraded to HSPA. Big dead spot in this area on HSPA
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Hi Dan, we currently have large outdoor HSPA repeaters on those towers, it's just not shown on the map as such, there are no plans at this time to turn them into full sites.
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Ah! So that's why the only show up as CDMA sites on the map? No point in turning them into full sites since there's barely any population there, do the large outdoor repeaters work well on those sites?
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They work well for coverage but they share the capacity of the donor site so if the population grows beyond what is expected then you can run into issues. What they allow us to do is enable coverage for a less sizable sum than a regular site, as well as allow us to put coverage in a location where there is no land based transport.
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Ahh I see how it works! Thanks for the great info Graham! Also thanks for taking your time to post info in this forum.
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If I'm understanding this thread correctly, I will no longer have any cell service when the CDMA is shut down as where I need my cell there won't be any further upgrade to HSPA. Currently a 4g phone in this area is useless.
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Can you tell me more about the plans for the Dauphin, Winnipegosis, Ste. Rose, McCreary areas?  Alot of the area, more specifically NE is CDMA only and HSPA does not work.  When will these towers be changed over to HSPA?   

I support about 20 toughbooks in that area and they only work everywhere on CDMA currently and I will need to replace all the toughbooks with HSPA models once the towers are up and before the CDMA is taken down.  

We have tried to communicate with MTS on this matter many times with no contact coming back to us about this.  Can you please let me know about this area or if you must can you have someone call or email me?  bbertram@mts.net  

Thank you.
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Turning off CDMA will result in better HSPA coverage from the same tower eventually. If the coverage issue is at a specific footprint such as a residence a customer owned booster is also a good solution

hi Cory

my comment to the above is not an option for most residence, as the booster will only project 180 degrees to the signal, and only offers an approx. 50 foot diameter, (so I've been told) in the La Broquerie area the booster has to be approx. 50 feet in the air to achieve optimum performance. It seems the only option at this point with 4 G is to go the Rogers option, MTS isn't offering a viable solution in my area.

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Rogers and MTS have the exact same 4G and LTE networks in Manitoba.
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Hello Doug, 

I discovered that we do have good signal coverage of HSPA in La Broquiere - it's working off a repeater.  That being said we currently don't have a date for the CDMA shut down of the tower in your area, that's a good thing for you for the time being. :)  
Once the plans are in place for the turn down our website will be updated here.  
I can provide more specific feedback of the coverage for CDMA and HSPA at your location if you send your physical location to community@mts.ca 

I hope that helps! 
Tennille 
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That is true CoryB, but some areas have a stinger LTE signal then HSPA and if that is the case that Rogers Voice over LTE is a great solution!
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That takes the immediate panic off, I have done some  research of my own & it will certainly buy me some more time, thanks Tennille, I appreciate your time on this matter
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Hi Dan I found 2 people on Rogers, and compared to a few years ago, they both are only experiencing great service, there maybe a down side, but so far I haven't found any, will continue with 3 G for a bit longer and see how this all plays out. I have no existing contracts, so the options are definitely open, I have a 4 G phone (2012 Vintage) so I'm not at a total loss, thanks again
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Sounds good!